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	<title>Comments on: What&#039;s Your Beef butcher in Charlotte, NC</title>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2010/01/24/whats-your-beef-butcher-in-charlotte-nc/#comment-9933</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. So I&#039;ll change that to &lt;b class=&quot;highlight&quot;&gt;local&lt;/b&gt; natural meats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. So I'll change that to <b class="highlight">local</b> natural meats.</p>
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		<title>By: George Vigil</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2010/01/24/whats-your-beef-butcher-in-charlotte-nc/#comment-9932</link>
		<dc:creator>George Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Well enough, but this does tell you what The Meat House does not have: natural meats.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was told by a sales person at the Meat House that they obtain their beef meats from the Midwest.  They could be natural meats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>"Well enough, but this does tell you what The Meat House does not have: natural meats."</p></blockquote>
<p>I was told by a sales person at the Meat House that they obtain their beef meats from the Midwest.  They could be natural meats.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2010/01/24/whats-your-beef-butcher-in-charlotte-nc/#comment-9931</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, as I recall, you told me that someone at The Meat House had stated that What&#039;s Your Beef Butcher could not possibly have natural meats because natural meat can&#039;t be found in this area --- and that Vic of What&#039;s Your Beef corrected this by stating that The Meat House just hadn&#039;t found a source yet.

Well enough, but this does tell you what The Meat House does &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; have: natural meats.

That said, here&#039;s a pertinent (and rather telling) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city-data.com/forum/charlotte/866653-whats-your-beef-butcher-ballantyne-3.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt; at the City-Data Forums ... and notice that the speaker is not hiding behind one name; she identifies herself:

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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city-data.com/forum/15606717-post28.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Cindy Gorgodian&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I would not go the the Meat House as they bad mouth every one. Whats your beef has the best meats and prices. Would not go any were else. And do not care what any one says its the best No hormones, No steroids &amp; No antibiotcs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, as I recall, you told me that someone at The Meat House had stated that What's Your Beef Butcher could not possibly have natural meats because natural meat can't be found in this area &#8212; and that Vic of What's Your Beef corrected this by stating that The Meat House just hadn't found a source yet.</p>
<p>Well enough, but this does tell you what The Meat House does <b>not</b> have: natural meats.</p>
<p>That said, here's a pertinent (and rather telling) <a href="http://www.city-data.com/forum/charlotte/866653-whats-your-beef-butcher-ballantyne-3.html" target="_blank">discussion</a> at the City-Data Forums &#8230; and notice that the speaker is not hiding behind one name; she identifies herself:</p>
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<a href="http://www.city-data.com/forum/15606717-post28.html" target="_blank"><b>Cindy Gorgodian</b></a><br />
I would not go the the Meat House as they bad mouth every one. Whats your beef has the best meats and prices. Would not go any were else. And do not care what any one says its the best No hormones, No steroids &#038; No antibiotcs.
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		<title>By: George Vigil</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2010/01/24/whats-your-beef-butcher-in-charlotte-nc/#comment-9930</link>
		<dc:creator>George Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve made a mistake by saying that Ralph is making a mountain out of a mole hill.  It&#039;s more like Ralph is finding fault where this is no fault.  A butcher business selling at the retail level doesn&#039;t have to state their sources of meat so that Ralph will be satisfied.  Ralph is using &quot;transparency&quot; as a fault finding action and that argument holds no water due to a missing bottom: If a butcher business represents that their meat is natural and this is proven as true, that is transparent.  If we like the prices, and we like the product, then we will tend to buy, knowing and having confidence that what is represented by the butcher business is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've made a mistake by saying that Ralph is making a mountain out of a mole hill.  It's more like Ralph is finding fault where this is no fault.  A butcher business selling at the retail level doesn't have to state their sources of meat so that Ralph will be satisfied.  Ralph is using "transparency" as a fault finding action and that argument holds no water due to a missing bottom: If a butcher business represents that their meat is natural and this is proven as true, that is transparent.  If we like the prices, and we like the product, then we will tend to buy, knowing and having confidence that what is represented by the butcher business is true.</p>
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		<title>By: George Vigil</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2010/01/24/whats-your-beef-butcher-in-charlotte-nc/#comment-9929</link>
		<dc:creator>George Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph, I find your comment somewhat making a mountain out of a mole hill. I&#039;ve talked with Vic from What&#039;s Your Beef and he assures me that the meat is natural, no antibiotics, hormones, etc. They get inspected by the state and they pass the inspections.

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&quot;A butcher shop is about convenience, service and quality, as well as the ability to legally cut meat- traits most farmers cannot accomplish all at once. Buyer beware!&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could you explain what you mean by the &quot;ability to legally cut meat&quot;?  Is there some law you are alluding to?

Are you saying that farmers grow meats?  I suppose it&#039;s possible for a farmer to also grow meats. Are you saying that the farmers are responsible for for cutting the meat that a butcher puts out to sell?

I see in many of their displays the cut of beef and the meat where it was cut from.  That&#039;s pretty specific.  They are, after all, butchers!

Now I know I&#039;m not some person who knows the business of a butcher.  But, I&#039;ve been buying from butchers ever since I was educated on eating clean meats; not shot up with chemicals and estrogen and plastered with preservatives to keep on a shelf for a very long time.

When I watch these guys cut the meat right in front of me, and compare to whatever the point you are making, my attention goes to you, Ralph.

What&#039;s Your Beef sells meats that are great tasting; their service is very good.  They even engage in great conversations and are friendly in a real or natural way. They even tolerate my weird humor, which is impressive.  I don&#039;t see your implied and specious and probably baseless accusation.

As far as the caveat emptor of &quot;buyer beware,&quot; I&#039;m wondering if you are connected to a rival store, here in South Charlotte, playing some dirty tactic. If so, it&#039;s very bad business!  Generalities, half-truths and prevarications will come back to haunt you.  If you are willing to pull such shenanigans on your competition, what are you willing to do with your own products that you are selling.  There&#039;s also the rule about the fellow who accuses others of what that fellow is guilty of.  Food is something that everybody needs.  There are plenty of people to sell to.  Don&#039;t be a pig and not allow others to eat at the trough.  If you can&#039;t allow competition ... that alone speaks volumes about your own products.  

The way you word your post making it of foundational and great importance to the transparency of the local food movement. Wow!   

Reader beware of Ralph!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, I find your comment somewhat making a mountain out of a mole hill. I've talked with Vic from What's Your Beef and he assures me that the meat is natural, no antibiotics, hormones, etc. They get inspected by the state and they pass the inspections.</p>
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"A butcher shop is about convenience, service and quality, as well as the ability to legally cut meat- traits most farmers cannot accomplish all at once. Buyer beware!"
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<p>Could you explain what you mean by the "ability to legally cut meat"?  Is there some law you are alluding to?</p>
<p>Are you saying that farmers grow meats?  I suppose it's possible for a farmer to also grow meats. Are you saying that the farmers are responsible for for cutting the meat that a butcher puts out to sell?</p>
<p>I see in many of their displays the cut of beef and the meat where it was cut from.  That's pretty specific.  They are, after all, butchers!</p>
<p>Now I know I'm not some person who knows the business of a butcher.  But, I've been buying from butchers ever since I was educated on eating clean meats; not shot up with chemicals and estrogen and plastered with preservatives to keep on a shelf for a very long time.</p>
<p>When I watch these guys cut the meat right in front of me, and compare to whatever the point you are making, my attention goes to you, Ralph.</p>
<p>What's Your Beef sells meats that are great tasting; their service is very good.  They even engage in great conversations and are friendly in a real or natural way. They even tolerate my weird humor, which is impressive.  I don't see your implied and specious and probably baseless accusation.</p>
<p>As far as the caveat emptor of "buyer beware," I'm wondering if you are connected to a rival store, here in South Charlotte, playing some dirty tactic. If so, it's very bad business!  Generalities, half-truths and prevarications will come back to haunt you.  If you are willing to pull such shenanigans on your competition, what are you willing to do with your own products that you are selling.  There's also the rule about the fellow who accuses others of what that fellow is guilty of.  Food is something that everybody needs.  There are plenty of people to sell to.  Don't be a pig and not allow others to eat at the trough.  If you can't allow competition &#8230; that alone speaks volumes about your own products.  </p>
<p>The way you word your post making it of foundational and great importance to the transparency of the local food movement. Wow!   </p>
<p>Reader beware of Ralph!</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very foundation of the local food movement is transparency. This business is not transparent about their sources, which should be a red flag to the consumer.  Justifying hiding the source so the consumer won&#039;t skip the middleman by buying from the farmer raises suspicion. A butcher shop is about convenience, service and quality, as well as the ability to legally cut meat- traits most farmers cannot accomplish all at once. Buyer beware!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very foundation of the local food movement is transparency. This business is not transparent about their sources, which should be a red flag to the consumer.  Justifying hiding the source so the consumer won't skip the middleman by buying from the farmer raises suspicion. A butcher shop is about convenience, service and quality, as well as the ability to legally cut meat- traits most farmers cannot accomplish all at once. Buyer beware!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve added a Rumor Alert to the article above because George was told by a competing butcher that What&#039;s Your Beef was not only moving, but that their meats were not natural because natural meats could not be found in the area. George confirmed with What&#039;s Your Beef that they&#039;re &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; moving and that the competing butcher simply had not been able to locate a local source of natural meat. I&#039;m not crazy about rumor-mongering as a method of doing &quot;business&quot;.

I wanted to add one thing: I don&#039;t think that a merchant&#039;s unwillingness to disclose his resources automatically means he/she is doing something wrong or has something to hide. I suspect it&#039;s just a matter of protecting resources, which I&#039;d guess that many companies do. Your mileage may vary; that&#039;s just my take on it.

At any rate, if you want to drive to a farm, great. If you want to buy from a butcher, great. I&#039;m certainly not adamant about either one. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We've added a Rumor Alert to the article above because George was told by a competing butcher that What's Your Beef was not only moving, but that their meats were not natural because natural meats could not be found in the area. George confirmed with What's Your Beef that they're <b>not</b> moving and that the competing butcher simply had not been able to locate a local source of natural meat. I'm not crazy about rumor-mongering as a method of doing "business".</p>
<p>I wanted to add one thing: I don't think that a merchant's unwillingness to disclose his resources automatically means he/she is doing something wrong or has something to hide. I suspect it's just a matter of protecting resources, which I'd guess that many companies do. Your mileage may vary; that's just my take on it.</p>
<p>At any rate, if you want to drive to a farm, great. If you want to buy from a butcher, great. I'm certainly not adamant about either one. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Shannon. This is most helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Shannon. This is most helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We get grass-fed (not grain finished) from Chad at Creekside Farms. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M28867&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M28867&lt;/a&gt;

We also get our pork from him, but do not buy eggs or chickens because there is soy in his feed.  For soy free eggs and broilers we raise them in the backyard.  ;)  

His beef and pork is delicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We get grass-fed (not grain finished) from Chad at Creekside Farms. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M28867" target="_blank">http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M28867</a></p>
<p>We also get our pork from him, but do not buy eggs or chickens because there is soy in his feed.  For soy free eggs and broilers we raise them in the backyard.  ;)  </p>
<p>His beef and pork is delicious.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon,

I would love the farmer&#039;s information as well!  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon,</p>
<p>I would love the farmer's information as well!  Thanks.</p>
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