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		<title>By: Lynn Cameron</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/03/06/kefir-history-information-and-a-kefir-recipe/#comment-9945</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ed,

You&#039;ll never be sorry to have rediscovered cultured milk products and this almost magical beverage, kefir.  It&#039;s actually beyond buttermilk not only in the hugely increased amount of active LAB cultures but also because of what happens upon &#039;ripening&#039; .  The end of the room temp. culturing process is a period when the lactobacillus (LAB) has consumed all its food (milk sugar-lactose)and the yeastie beasties spring into action making lots of B Vitamins before they, too, expire.

This is accomplished by cooling down the curds right from the culturing station with the kefir grains still within the jar. Anywhere from a few hours to 24 later, one can then whisk the soft white curd thoroughly, strain it and then make more kefir with the grains &amp; milk in another wide-mouth jar.  I even use the same jar w/o washing - it doesn&#039;t seem to affect the taste at all.  Making a new batch is a breeze.

While watching The Story of the Weeping Camel documentary awhile ago, I noticed them passing around a cup dipped from a communal container.  The tribesfolk did this often and certainly whenever anyone arrived into their yurt(tent).  I&#039;m fairly certain that this drink was kefir made from camel&#039;s milk.   All ages consumed it with gusto but only one swig each at a time. It certainly seemed to be the &#039;guest cup&#039;.

I was inspired to pour my own---what I thought was finished Kefir---into a ceramic pitcher to be left on my counter for my own &#039;swigs&#039; throughout the day.  What I discovered is almost a completely different beverage!

It becomes effervescent just as I&#039;d heard it described on Dom&#039;s Australian Kefir site (http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html)and thinner more like true buttermilk than thick storebought.  I think that I may have been consuming &#039;green&#039; kefir these past few years, and it has given slight tummy upsets on occasions.  So, I&#039;ve started &#039;ripening&#039; my brew for a further day on my counter at room temperature.

Try a wineglass full with a meal sometime - it may enhance the flavor of each item of your meal as it does mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ed,</p>
<p>You'll never be sorry to have rediscovered cultured milk products and this almost magical beverage, kefir.  It's actually beyond buttermilk not only in the hugely increased amount of active LAB cultures but also because of what happens upon 'ripening' .  The end of the room temp. culturing process is a period when the lactobacillus (LAB) has consumed all its food (milk sugar-lactose)and the yeastie beasties spring into action making lots of B Vitamins before they, too, expire.</p>
<p>This is accomplished by cooling down the curds right from the culturing station with the kefir grains still within the jar. Anywhere from a few hours to 24 later, one can then whisk the soft white curd thoroughly, strain it and then make more kefir with the grains &amp; milk in another wide-mouth jar.  I even use the same jar w/o washing &#8211; it doesn't seem to affect the taste at all.  Making a new batch is a breeze.</p>
<p>While watching The Story of the Weeping Camel documentary awhile ago, I noticed them passing around a cup dipped from a communal container.  The tribesfolk did this often and certainly whenever anyone arrived into their yurt(tent).  I'm fairly certain that this drink was kefir made from camel's milk.   All ages consumed it with gusto but only one swig each at a time. It certainly seemed to be the 'guest cup'.</p>
<p>I was inspired to pour my own&#8212;what I thought was finished Kefir&#8212;into a ceramic pitcher to be left on my counter for my own 'swigs' throughout the day.  What I discovered is almost a completely different beverage!</p>
<p>It becomes effervescent just as I'd heard it described on Dom's Australian Kefir site (<a href="http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html)and" rel="nofollow">http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html)and</a> thinner more like true buttermilk than thick storebought.  I think that I may have been consuming 'green' kefir these past few years, and it has given slight tummy upsets on occasions.  So, I've started 'ripening' my brew for a further day on my counter at room temperature.</p>
<p>Try a wineglass full with a meal sometime &#8211; it may enhance the flavor of each item of your meal as it does mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kreisel</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/03/06/kefir-history-information-and-a-kefir-recipe/#comment-9943</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kreisel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, 
I was recently introduced to Kefir through my son who got it from a homopathic Dr. I don&#039;t know where she got it from but I do appreciate it. I am 88 yrs old and grew up on a farm in Md. I&#039;m not sure how it came to be in our family but we knew it as buttermilk and smearcase or maybe clabber. As a kid we ate it regularly since we had several cows and lots of milk, fresh as well as sour. I have always liked the taste and texture of buttermilk although store bought stuff doesn&#039;t really do it for me. I recently started making kefir and it is delicious. Today I am going out to try to find some wide mouthed quart jars, maybe 3 or 4 so I&#039;ll always have supply on hand.
Enough for now
Thanks for everything
Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,<br />
I was recently introduced to Kefir through my son who got it from a homopathic Dr. I don't know where she got it from but I do appreciate it. I am 88 yrs old and grew up on a farm in Md. I'm not sure how it came to be in our family but we knew it as buttermilk and smearcase or maybe clabber. As a kid we ate it regularly since we had several cows and lots of milk, fresh as well as sour. I have always liked the taste and texture of buttermilk although store bought stuff doesn't really do it for me. I recently started making kefir and it is delicious. Today I am going out to try to find some wide mouthed quart jars, maybe 3 or 4 so I'll always have supply on hand.<br />
Enough for now<br />
Thanks for everything<br />
Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Cameron</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/03/06/kefir-history-information-and-a-kefir-recipe/#comment-9855</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick,

Whether your kefir is still good depends upon a couple factors.
1.  The quality of the milk it has been stored in.  Clean, organic milk (http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/01/26/key-to-safe-raw-milk-from-cows/)   from grass-fed cows that has not been pasteurized (http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/01/26/pasteurizing-milk-destroys-essential-nutrients/ ) would have given the culture its best chance.
2.  The grains, after half a year, may have run out of food - lactose (milk sugar).
3.  Its color should be completely white with no other odor but the clean, tart aroma of buttermilk or yogurt.  There may be a faint yeast bread smell but the long refrigeration should have deactivated the yeast.  Pink or green is NOT good and happens with truly spoiled dairy that has been heated to high temperatures.
4.  Because it has cultured so long, the taste will probably be extremely tart; good for cooking or pet supplement.  Lately, I’ve been making kefir cream cheese by letting it culture a long time to get the curds really separate from the liquid whey before dripping it through cheesecloth.  If I do not want to drink the kefir or make cheese, I find other ways to use it.  As a last resort, the compost pile.  Never waste it down the drain unless it was a pasteurized dairy product – in my opinion already spoiled by processing.  

Try to make more; remove or strain the kefir grains from the B-vitamin rich whey liquid and place them in a glass container with sweet farm-fresh milk – about 2 Tbls. per qt.  Give them 2-4 days in a dark, cozy place and transfer to the refrigerator for a day or overnight as soon as you have tipped the jar and seen a soft jello-like consistency. If no soft curds form, the wee beasties have expired, and you’ll need to obtain fresh kefir grains with vitality.

Good luck!  I hope this helps.
Lynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>Whether your kefir is still good depends upon a couple factors.<br />
1.  The quality of the milk it has been stored in.  Clean, organic milk (<a href="http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/01/26/key-to-safe-raw-milk-from-cows/" rel="nofollow">http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/01/26/key-to-safe-raw-milk-from-cows/</a>)   from grass-fed cows that has not been pasteurized (<a href="http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/01/26/pasteurizing-milk-destroys-essential-nutrients/" rel="nofollow">http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/01/26/pasteurizing-milk-destroys-essential-nutrients/</a> ) would have given the culture its best chance.<br />
2.  The grains, after half a year, may have run out of food &#8211; lactose (milk sugar).<br />
3.  Its color should be completely white with no other odor but the clean, tart aroma of buttermilk or yogurt.  There may be a faint yeast bread smell but the long refrigeration should have deactivated the yeast.  Pink or green is NOT good and happens with truly spoiled dairy that has been heated to high temperatures.<br />
4.  Because it has cultured so long, the taste will probably be extremely tart; good for cooking or pet supplement.  Lately, I’ve been making kefir cream cheese by letting it culture a long time to get the curds really separate from the liquid whey before dripping it through cheesecloth.  If I do not want to drink the kefir or make cheese, I find other ways to use it.  As a last resort, the compost pile.  Never waste it down the drain unless it was a pasteurized dairy product – in my opinion already spoiled by processing.  </p>
<p>Try to make more; remove or strain the kefir grains from the B-vitamin rich whey liquid and place them in a glass container with sweet farm-fresh milk – about 2 Tbls. per qt.  Give them 2-4 days in a dark, cozy place and transfer to the refrigerator for a day or overnight as soon as you have tipped the jar and seen a soft jello-like consistency. If no soft curds form, the wee beasties have expired, and you’ll need to obtain fresh kefir grains with vitality.</p>
<p>Good luck!  I hope this helps.<br />
Lynn</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Nick. You didn&#039;t mention whether you&#039;d looked at it. Does it still look okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Nick. You didn't mention whether you'd looked at it. Does it still look okay?</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have keifer stored in a mason jar in refrigerator for about 6 months have not have separated grains is it still good to use HELP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have keifer stored in a mason jar in refrigerator for about 6 months have not have separated grains is it still good to use HELP</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the famous niece! Welcome to We Want Organic Food.

Thanks for giving your input regarding kefir. I find myself craving certain things (raw milk, for instance) and can understand how kefir might be one of those things.

Good luck on your stint on the yacht. That sounds heavenly ... and I hope you&#039;re able to set up the kitchen as you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the famous niece! Welcome to We Want Organic Food.</p>
<p>Thanks for giving your input regarding kefir. I find myself craving certain things (raw milk, for instance) and can understand how kefir might be one of those things.</p>
<p>Good luck on your stint on the yacht. That sounds heavenly &#8230; and I hope you're able to set up the kitchen as you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was first introduced to kefir by my aunt, Lynn Cameron, and over the past year I have come to love it.  In addition to the many health benefits I find myself craving it at certain times through out the day.  I have recently been hired as a crew member on a very large private yacht and really miss having my raw milk kefir.  I can\&#039;t help but think of the potential to turn the custom kitchen on this boat into a culture friendly yacht galley.  How easy it would be for a like minded owner to create a temperature regulated \&quot;incubator\&quot; for kefir and other cultured products.  It could be built right into the galley like the expresso machine and probably be just as easy.  I hope someday people will be educated enough about the benefits of cultured food that it will be as common place as your morning cup of coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was first introduced to kefir by my aunt, Lynn Cameron, and over the past year I have come to love it.  In addition to the many health benefits I find myself craving it at certain times through out the day.  I have recently been hired as a crew member on a very large private yacht and really miss having my raw milk kefir.  I can\'t help but think of the potential to turn the custom kitchen on this boat into a culture friendly yacht galley.  How easy it would be for a like minded owner to create a temperature regulated \"incubator\" for kefir and other cultured products.  It could be built right into the galley like the expresso machine and probably be just as easy.  I hope someday people will be educated enough about the benefits of cultured food that it will be as common place as your morning cup of coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Cameron</title>
		<link>http://wewantorganicfood.com/2008/03/06/kefir-history-information-and-a-kefir-recipe/#comment-8858</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dy and Diane,

Sorry to be so tardy in replying but I&#039;ve been out of the US of A into the countryside of the REAL kefir drinkers.  Yes, Greek yogurt, the real homemade stuff, is better and more satisfying than ice cream, creme fraiche, sour cream and whipped cream all rolled into one.  It keeps amazingly well with very minimum refrigeration, too.

I&#039;ve just made my first batch of kefir since getting home a day ago.  I made it from kefir grains I&#039;d kept in fresh milk in the fridge and summer milk I had put by in the freezer and labeled &quot;milk for kefir&quot; because I&#039;d skimmed off the top milk before freezing.  It&#039;s perfectly passable &amp; I&#039;m thrilled to have it, but I&#039;m looking forward to my next fresh milk club delivery Dec. 3rd so I can make both yogurt and kefir from whole milk again.

For 3 adults, I place 2 wide-mouth qt. jars filled with milk to shoulders and grains into a cooler in a warm place for 24-36 hrs.  Every time I decant them, I replace them with fresh milk.  This keeps us in all the kefir we wish to drink - a couple times daily.  Often we&#039;ll have a wine glass of it with our evening meal sprinkled with a little pink salt.  Some like it first thing in the morning; some just before bed (probiotic beasties do their best work during the night); some when just in hot from the field when salt is particularly tasty.

Kefir is the easiest to make.  When you branch out into yogurt, it can be a little trickier.  I recommend finding a yogurt maker and buying some powdered culture to start.  The longer you keep your yogurt milk at scald temp, the more firm will be your finished yogurt.

Good luck, Dy - and remember that over-kefired kefir that has defined kurds makes the most delicious cream cheese ever with the whey left over to culture veggies and make sourdough breads.  
Discard nothing of this white gold - if humans choose not to consume it, feed it to your animals or put into the garden compost.

Best,
Lynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dy and Diane,</p>
<p>Sorry to be so tardy in replying but I've been out of the US of A into the countryside of the REAL kefir drinkers.  Yes, Greek yogurt, the real homemade stuff, is better and more satisfying than ice cream, creme fraiche, sour cream and whipped cream all rolled into one.  It keeps amazingly well with very minimum refrigeration, too.</p>
<p>I've just made my first batch of kefir since getting home a day ago.  I made it from kefir grains I'd kept in fresh milk in the fridge and summer milk I had put by in the freezer and labeled "milk for kefir" because I'd skimmed off the top milk before freezing.  It's perfectly passable &amp; I'm thrilled to have it, but I'm looking forward to my next fresh milk club delivery Dec. 3rd so I can make both yogurt and kefir from whole milk again.</p>
<p>For 3 adults, I place 2 wide-mouth qt. jars filled with milk to shoulders and grains into a cooler in a warm place for 24-36 hrs.  Every time I decant them, I replace them with fresh milk.  This keeps us in all the kefir we wish to drink &#8211; a couple times daily.  Often we'll have a wine glass of it with our evening meal sprinkled with a little pink salt.  Some like it first thing in the morning; some just before bed (probiotic beasties do their best work during the night); some when just in hot from the field when salt is particularly tasty.</p>
<p>Kefir is the easiest to make.  When you branch out into yogurt, it can be a little trickier.  I recommend finding a yogurt maker and buying some powdered culture to start.  The longer you keep your yogurt milk at scald temp, the more firm will be your finished yogurt.</p>
<p>Good luck, Dy &#8211; and remember that over-kefired kefir that has defined kurds makes the most delicious cream cheese ever with the whey left over to culture veggies and make sourdough breads.<br />
Discard nothing of this white gold &#8211; if humans choose not to consume it, feed it to your animals or put into the garden compost.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Lynn</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Vigil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Vigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you found Lynn&#039;s Kefir recipe helpful, Dy. I seem to recall Lynn mentioning drinking it a few times a day, but perhaps she can weigh in here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you found Lynn's Kefir recipe helpful, Dy. I seem to recall Lynn mentioning drinking it a few times a day, but perhaps she can weigh in here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn,

What a wonderful resource you&#039;ve put together, here. Thank you, for taking the time to share your knowledge.

We&#039;ve just begun our kefir adventure. The children love the water kefir, so that&#039;s been a good experience. Now, I am turning to the milk cultures, and that&#039;s proving a bit more involved. (Why does the learning curve seem to much steeper, the older I get?) ;-) The information you&#039;ve provided, here, helped tremendously.

There are seven of us, and I&#039;m not clear on just how much kefir I should be aiming for - not just for production, but overall daily incorporation into our diet. If you have any thoughts to share on that topic, they&#039;d be much appreciated by this member of the Peanut Gallery.

OK, I&#039;m off to peruse the rest of your site for information! Thanks, again, so much.
Dy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn,</p>
<p>What a wonderful resource you've put together, here. Thank you, for taking the time to share your knowledge.</p>
<p>We've just begun our kefir adventure. The children love the water kefir, so that's been a good experience. Now, I am turning to the milk cultures, and that's proving a bit more involved. (Why does the learning curve seem to much steeper, the older I get?) ;-) The information you've provided, here, helped tremendously.</p>
<p>There are seven of us, and I'm not clear on just how much kefir I should be aiming for &#8211; not just for production, but overall daily incorporation into our diet. If you have any thoughts to share on that topic, they'd be much appreciated by this member of the Peanut Gallery.</p>
<p>OK, I'm off to peruse the rest of your site for information! Thanks, again, so much.<br />
Dy</p>
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