Comments on: Saturated Fats versus partially hydrogenated vegetable oils and trans fats http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/ Organic food information and tips and gadgets for healthier living Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:00:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=We Want Organic Food hourly 1 By: Blood Sugar and Healthy Eating http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-9566 Blood Sugar and Healthy Eating Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:28:47 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-9566 [...] steaks with the most saturated fat I can get. Contrary to what is promoted and taught about them, saturated fats are necessary in one's diet and are not the cause of people putting on [...] [...] steaks with the most saturated fat I can get. Contrary to what is promoted and taught about them, saturated fats are necessary in one's diet and are not the cause of people putting on [...]

]]> By: Butter versus margarine – are they good for you? http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-9520 Butter versus margarine – are they good for you? Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:56:39 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-9520 [...] comes from partially hydrogenated vegetable oils or fats. This type of butter substitute is nowhere near as hard to manufacture as butter. [...] [...] comes from partially hydrogenated vegetable oils or fats. This type of butter substitute is nowhere near as hard to manufacture as butter. [...]

]]> By: Gerri Fehrle http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-5952 Gerri Fehrle Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:37:40 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-5952 All the information was very helpful. I still have a question about products that list saturated fats, trans fats, Polyunsat and monunsat numbers that do not add up to the total fat in the item. Such as \"Back to Nature\" choc chip cookies. There is a difference of 0.05. Could this number be trans fats that are not accounted for on the box? How does this affect the consumer? All the information was very helpful. I still have a question about products that list saturated fats, trans fats, Polyunsat and monunsat numbers that do not add up to the total fat in the item. Such as \"Back to Nature\" choc chip cookies. There is a difference of 0.05. Could this number be trans fats that are not accounted for on the box? How does this affect the consumer?

]]> By: Diane Vigil http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4155 Diane Vigil Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:56:56 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4155 I see what you're saying, Linda. For myself, I don't see that "less harmful" equals "good". I see what you're saying, Linda. For myself, I don't see that "less harmful" equals "good".

]]> By: Linda Roper http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4153 Linda Roper Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:00:31 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4153 George Crisco isn't the only one touting that fully hydrogenated fats are the same as saturated fats. Take a look at the American Heart Associations web site www.americanheart.org look under FAQs and go down to the question "What is the difference between partially hydrogenated oils and fully hydrogenated oils?" Answer reads "Hydorgenation is the process by which liquid vegetable oil is turned into solid fat. Partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats. However, when liquid vegetable oil is fully hydrogenated, almost no trans fats remain. Full hydrogenation increases the amount of saturated fats, mostly in the form of stearic acid. Stearic acid does not raise levels of LDL ("bad") cholesterol. This makes fully hydrogenated fats less harmful than partially hydrogenated fats." There is another at www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource go to Shining the Spotlight on Trans Fats-Nutition in the News, the right side column reads "Fully Hydrogenated vegetable oil. Exposing liquid oils rich in unsaturated fats to hydrogen gas for a longer time yields a hard, waxy, fully hydrogenated fat. This means it has become a saturated fat, and is completely trans-fat free. Blending unprocessed liquid vegetable oil with such fully hydrogenated vegetable oils yields a semi-solt fat that is trans fat free and can be used for margerines, baking, and other types of cooking." They just keep finding ways to get around doing the right thing, because it costs more to do the right thing. George
Crisco isn't the only one touting that fully hydrogenated fats are the same as saturated fats. Take a look at the American Heart Associations web site http://www.americanheart.org look under FAQs and go down to the question "What is the difference between partially hydrogenated oils and fully hydrogenated oils?"
Answer reads "Hydorgenation is the process by which liquid vegetable oil is turned into solid fat. Partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats. However, when liquid vegetable oil is fully hydrogenated, almost no trans fats remain. Full hydrogenation increases the amount of saturated fats, mostly in the form of stearic acid. Stearic acid does not raise levels of LDL ("bad") cholesterol. This makes fully hydrogenated fats less harmful than partially hydrogenated fats."
There is another at http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource go to Shining the Spotlight on Trans Fats-Nutition in the News, the right side column reads "Fully Hydrogenated vegetable oil. Exposing liquid oils rich in unsaturated fats to hydrogen gas for a longer time yields a hard, waxy, fully hydrogenated fat. This means it has become a saturated fat, and is completely trans-fat free. Blending unprocessed liquid vegetable oil with such fully hydrogenated vegetable oils yields a semi-solt fat that is trans fat free and can be used for margerines, baking, and other types of cooking."
They just keep finding ways to get around doing the right thing, because it costs more to do the right thing.

]]> By: George Vigil http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4150 George Vigil Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:29:49 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4150 Hi Linda, I agree with you about not going against mother nature in most cases. And I'm afraid Crisco is either misinformed about what is meant by transfats and partially hydrogenated oils. Or it is just plain false advertising on Crisco's part. Transfats ARE partially hydrogenated oils. Hydrogen has been added to the fat or oil. In Nourishing Traditions, a cookbook by Sally Fallon with Mary G. Enig, Ph.D., transfats/partially hydrogenated oils are fully exposed as health risks down to the atomic level. Any hydrogenated (to a greater or lesser degree) oil or fat is bad for one's health. I didn't know that genetically modified seeds were being produced in the omega seeds and beans now. It's getting harder and harder to produce healthy food as well as consuming it. George Vigil Hi Linda,

I agree with you about not going against mother nature in most cases.

And I'm afraid Crisco is either misinformed about what is meant by transfats and partially hydrogenated oils. Or it is just plain false advertising on Crisco's part. Transfats ARE partially hydrogenated oils. Hydrogen has been added to the fat or oil.

In Nourishing Traditions, a cookbook by Sally Fallon with Mary G. Enig, Ph.D., transfats/partially hydrogenated oils are fully exposed as health risks down to the atomic level.

Any hydrogenated (to a greater or lesser degree) oil or fat is bad for one's health.

I didn't know that genetically modified seeds were being produced in the omega seeds and beans now.

It's getting harder and harder to produce healthy food as well as consuming it.

George Vigil

]]> By: Linda Ropr http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4149 Linda Ropr Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:11:21 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4149 oh, and I remembered one more thing I read that you may find of interest. Since oils with omega acids get rancid right away, but they are what the consumers are willing to pay bigger bucks for....well, the producers of those beans and seeds that are the sources of the oils with omegas are getting their beans and seeds genetically changed to produce less omegas. Tricky tricky tricky. Underhanded, humans treating other humans with inhumanity just to get money. oh, and I remembered one more thing I read that you may find of interest. Since oils with omega acids get rancid right away, but they are what the consumers are willing to pay bigger bucks for….well, the producers of those beans and seeds that are the sources of the oils with omegas are getting their beans and seeds genetically changed to produce less omegas. Tricky tricky tricky. Underhanded, humans treating other humans with inhumanity just to get money.

]]> By: Linda Ropr http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4148 Linda Ropr Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:06:42 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4148 Another consideration came to mind. The reason we want to use milk from cows that are fed on pasture and milk that is not homogenized (or had the fat broken up into pieces so it stays mixed up in the milk)is (from what I've been studying) because most milk cows live in stalls all their life, have their tails cut off, are in unclean conditions, and never see a blade of grass. They produce milk that is not chemically the same as milk produced by real cows in real environments, and researchers are finding this is a harmful digression from what milk should be. Also, breaking open the fat first, releases an acid that causes inflamation in our arteries and encourages plaque buildup, and second, makes those fats digenst into our systems where left in their natural state they would be too large to digest for the most part, and third, pasturization eliminates the enzymes that assist our bodies in digestion of the milk. Another interesting note I learned from reading about fats, is that milk contains opiates that give us a good feeling, hence drinking milk at night to relax and sleep. These opiates it said in one article can be a bit addictive. So we get a little addicted to milk. Another consideration came to mind. The reason we want to use milk from cows that are fed on pasture and milk that is not homogenized (or had the fat broken up into pieces so it stays mixed up in the milk)is (from what I've been studying) because most milk cows live in stalls all their life, have their tails cut off, are in unclean conditions, and never see a blade of grass. They produce milk that is not chemically the same as milk produced by real cows in real environments, and researchers are finding this is a harmful digression from what milk should be. Also, breaking open the fat first, releases an acid that causes inflamation in our arteries and encourages plaque buildup, and second, makes those fats digenst into our systems where left in their natural state they would be too large to digest for the most part, and third, pasturization eliminates the enzymes that assist our bodies in digestion of the milk. Another interesting note I learned from reading about fats, is that milk contains opiates that give us a good feeling, hence drinking milk at night to relax and sleep. These opiates it said in one article can be a bit addictive. So we get a little addicted to milk.

]]> By: Linda Ropr http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4145 Linda Ropr Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:45:04 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-4145 Looks like a great read on fats, and in plain language. Very understandable. There is a major player missing in your deck of cards though....\"Fully Hydrogenated\" fats. I started to study this because I am starting up a little micro biz and one of the things I make is frosted gluten free cut out cookies. In the frosting I use shortening. So I bought the Crisco that said \"0grams of trans fat\" on the front. Yet when I read the ingredients list, it lists fully hydrogenated fats. I was confused. So I did some research and read through several scientific articles and such, and it seems that by fully hydrogenating the fat it becomes a saturated fat. This still scares me, though everyone seems to just accept this as ok. It is not the way mother nature intended. And as we are seeing or should see by now, when we go against mother nature it rarely turns out to be good. Have you read up on this fully hydrogenated stuff? Looks like a great read on fats, and in plain language. Very understandable. There is a major player missing in your deck of cards though….\"Fully Hydrogenated\" fats. I started to study this because I am starting up a little micro biz and one of the things I make is frosted gluten free cut out cookies. In the frosting I use shortening. So I bought the Crisco that said \"0grams of trans fat\" on the front. Yet when I read the ingredients list, it lists fully hydrogenated fats. I was confused. So I did some research and read through several scientific articles and such, and it seems that by fully hydrogenating the fat it becomes a saturated fat. This still scares me, though everyone seems to just accept this as ok. It is not the way mother nature intended. And as we are seeing or should see by now, when we go against mother nature it rarely turns out to be good. Have you read up on this fully hydrogenated stuff?

]]> By: Diane Vigil http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-1094 Diane Vigil Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:03:51 +0000 http://wewantorganicfood.com/2007/09/02/saturated-fats-versus-partially-hydrogenated-vegetable-oils-and-trans-fats/#comment-1094 I do know what you mean, Lynn. I've driven up through California's central valley a number of times (up to Fresno) --- and you can definitely smell the pesticides. Yuck. I do know what you mean, Lynn. I've driven up through California's central valley a number of times (up to Fresno) — and you can definitely smell the pesticides. Yuck.

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